Instead of the standard AK safety selector, some Vepr-12 shotguns have an ambidextrous safety that can be manipulated from either side of the receiver. Powered by Invision Community. I am familiar with their products for a quite a long time, but now they got a buttstock with adaptor Top quality upgrade replacement for your Vepr-12. Also lubed the carrier rails on the receiver. I did add a forward grip, get a picatiny rail, two allen screws with anchors, remove the bottom stock, install the two screws with anchors and reassemble. I feel fine with my Mossberg 590 for home defense and it only holds 5 rounds. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. I'm not saying that Shannon's custom polishing job is the answer for everyone, but it definitely worked for me when all the cheaper options were exhausted and may be just the fix for you. The shotgun is also imported into the United States. Apparently, guy who has made way too many posts. Fixing in order to achieve basic function and modifying to improve/change function are totally different things. These are getting hard to come by. Mine has a small amount of play in it too, but not much. There are dimpled impressions in either side of the threads on the end of the bolt carrier where the gas piston screws in that prevent it from being tightened which leads me to believe its supposed to be that way but for there to be ANY wiggle in such a sophisticated gas system seems a little odd to me. First off the S12 was designed for heavy brass. After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. How can you as a journalist allow personal bias against a COMPLETELY different firearm affect your opinion of this one? Hence the fat portion of the piston. I think you mean (4+4+4+4)/4. Have they solved the dis-assembly pin warp problem on the VEPR 12 yet? A nifty range gun no doubt, but if Im spending this much money Id like to actually be able to use it for something. And with it locked back, the trigger is locked. We. Your piston rod play room looks fine, but I would call and verify with the importer (or pm papazorro or evlblkwpnz or tac47) and send him a link of your video as well. Day and night difference in performance and reliability. i know the v12 has its self regulating gas system in which its basically supposed to be able to handle all types of rounds, and i also know that some weapons need a "break in period" to be properly evaluatedbut, from the people ive talked to who are familiar with actual kalashnikovs, im told there isnt supposed to be any play in the gas piston itselfand thats the only explanation i can come up with for this FTE issue. Exactly what the second amendment is primarily for, to have a well regulated militia. No, I just tried and the hammer resets even if I pull the charging handle back less than would be required for a shell ejection, which it is. In the same area is the bolt release. That may be. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I just bought one of these for $699 out the door with tax shipping dros was $915. Just saw them in stock here http://www.birminghampistol.com/?product=vepr-12-gauge-ak-style-shotgun-semi-auto-folder-stock-welded-open, YupThanks to BHO. In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. VEPR 12 issues. I have an additional 5rd factory magazine I could take to the range next time to see if both of the magazines I tried today are faulty. I've compiled the 12 gauge 2 2/3" shells for your reference: http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. Fortunately for them they took off before I got downstairs. It was wisely placed here making it ambidextrous. I mean if the stock has been welded open it would mean that straight from the factory it was intended to fold but was welded for some legal reasons. I manually cycled my action over 500 times before ever shooting it and ran 100 slugs through it in an attempt to mechanically "polish" the rails and machined parts in the receiver. I am new and just learning, but certain brands of ammo do not work well, and there is a brand sold at Walmart called Suprema that is inexpensive and works well from what I have read, while certain loads of Winchester have issues. Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. Its pretty reasonable to expect a new gun to work (feed, fire, eject) as it comes out of the box. Then I switched to S&B buckshot, thinking that perhaps the birdshot was too light to cycle the action (even though its supposed to be self regulating and work with any load). You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue.. The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems. Also try not to limp shoulder the weapon. Accuracy: * * * * Honestly are trying to be funny (satire)? But it was a fun range gun. Stainless steel replacement guide rod and durable black Delrin slider sleeve will prevent the binding common to the OEM assembly. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. Purpose [ edit] The problems I've seen with the VEPR 12 models is that some have either undersized gas ports (undergassed) or the extractors are not correct. Everything has passed very smoothly and after the order has been made in 2 days the parcel was sent out. The Saiga-12 costs about $610 these days, and this gun retails for nearly twice that much. Most importantly, read the manual before you fire any gun. I find it laughable that you recommend a Mossberg 930 over the VEPR. No longer do you have to count your rounds and then muscle the new magazine into place with the bolt forward, it locks open just like an AR-15. You cannot paste images directly. I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. Why arent top 3 gun shooters using it? Onetap, The effect of these changes is that the gun is a lot easier to handle straight out of the box. and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. You cannot paste images directly. However, it does not happen all the time, especially if you are using light loads. No complaints thus far. Double shame for being a shill. The flexing and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. Ill report back. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. Are there otherwise drum magazines to this weapon? I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. The more stable the shooter, the more reliable your shotgun will run. All had a velocity of approximately 1200 fps. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/, Works on all Saiga 12, 20, 410 and Vepr 12 shotguns, Abel Anthony Is that how Europeans/Russians refer to 12g? Thats what I thought. The aftermarket for Veprs has gotten much better in the past few years as well. the issue has been had with numerous #6 shot and also random target loads, all 2 3/4"slugs and 00buck run flawlessly. After the break in period it fires everything from cheap wallyworld birdshot up to slugs. Some have guns that will run 3 dr Eq without work, but most end up just buying 3 1/4 dr stuff. You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. where-to-buy-guns A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. Ratings (Out of Five Stars): It actually works and is much easier to use. Alternate 00 buck with slugs and rock and roll the big apes. I just cannot see how this can be dangerous. With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. Other's claimed that replacing the recoil spring did the trick for them and for many, that might be enough to get their rigs running normally..every gun will be a bit different. First on the list of gripes is the safety. I had a box of Federal 8 shot, and Winchester Universal 7 1/2 shot. Dew out of the air after it was fired by my can cannon, so I really need this resolved because I have serious uses for it like shooting two cans of dewy from the sky. First off ditch the SGM mag. Saiga-12.com Corporation Powered by Invision Community, Problems cycling low brass with my VEPR12. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? Hopefully Ill have a great running Vepr 12!!!! arringdd, There is a bolt hold button on this gun that he is getting confused with the bolt release lever. As a result, the traditional way to keep a shotgun running has been a tube magazine running along the bottom of the barrel. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. Then I looked at my ugly but 100% reliable $200 Mossberg 500 with 8 rounds and a wood stock. Per 100 or 200. You didnt give it a fair test! To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It has a side-folding two-strut folding stock with a buttpad and reversible cheekpad. Lets be honest, the importers arent sponsoring them. Beads only work when mounted directly to the barrel and people honestly miss with them a lot. Clear editor. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. TTAG is one of only a few places where you can get that. $699 classic firearms they cant keep them in stock tho sell out with in one two weeks and takes a second for em to get em again. I think shotguns are the best home defense weapon point it in the intruders general direction and youre likely to really ruin their day. reloads are quicker, movement is much more fluid, and the manual of arms is much more similar to the AR-15 rifle. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. It actually DOES run the 3 dram bulk pack birdshot that my 930s wouldnt (despite the fact that its not supposed to). or for that matter, the Vepr 12 itself, that doesn't mean that the FFL will accept it. people get all fussed about it and do things like add recoil buffers or extra strength recoil springs, and then scratch their heads at the occasional short-stroke or double. You can post now and register later. I would do it again and again for the results that I got. Based on the RPK standard, the Vepr 12 shares the same legendary . Bwahahahaaaaaa!!! Paste as plain text instead, Why Vepr-12 jams with heavy optic mounted on its top rail? Chamber: 3" / 76 mm. Watch the video and notice how the bolt carrier bounces off the receiver when it slams home. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. I never done any real testing with it for overpenetration in an HD scenario, but it may overpenetrate. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. Witness us get knocked around a bit by the power of this 12 gauge shotgun. Do this quite a few times until the follower moves smoothly from top to bottom. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. My Turkish Hatsan's also required some work for