saw n mow Registered Joined Aug 20, 2010 The 54 deck would be welcome as I do have some wide open mowing spaces. The Z-force SX 48 has the 24 HP professional-grade Kawasaki FR Series V-Twin OHV engine. If you ever have any issues with it and you bought it from your local dealer you will get a lot faster service. John Deere Commercial Z645 Zero Turn Mower 27HP 48 Inch Deck 398 H Serviced . The deck couldnt handle the bumpy ground. It is a step up from the Titan in ruggedness. which tires are good for not tearing up the yard? If you are mowing one acre and less properties the Walker will be faster overall. I put my leaf clippings in a mulch pile but if you did your property this way I would guess you would have less than 10 bags. Gravely ZT HD 52: $5100 The rep who comes out will go over the mower with you, show you how to drive it, and let you use it on your yard to see if it is a good fit., Hi Paul, But much of the remaining hillside (15 degree slope) ends at a tree line, so mowing straight up and down requires that I make turns on the hill. Bookmark the permalink . The Costco units. Appreciate the in depth insight on the towing/tongue weight. We have been wearing out two standard 21 mowers, and we need to buy a riding lawn mower. Walker brand ZTRs can typically handle steeper slopes because of their low center of gravity. He has 5 acres of farm lawn with a few steeper slopes. If you cant get the Kaw I highly recommend the Toro. Hi Paul, A 50-52 inch mower has a wider stance so youll feel more comfortable on your slope. That is an easy adjustment and found on page 20 of the operators manual. My machine will be for personal suburban residential use. Have I helped you? I imagine itll see approximately 1 hour of use a week during the mowing season. HD clutch,HD motors and hydraulics, and 30 to 37 HP engines. Ive spent a bunch of time reading your site over the last week as Im looking to purchase a new mower. Also, do you know anything about the toro engine compared to the Kawasaki. I know i dont need anything crazy because ill be mowing up to an acre a week but i like nice things and always but more then i need. The deck also sits out front so you can trim under stuff and with the 48-inch deck, it will trim right around fence post and landscaping without leaving anything to trim. Who Makes The Best Lawn Tractor or Zero Turn For You? There is no performance difference. That his asking price. John deere Z540M with the Kawasaki engine 48 The Joystick is one lever just point the lever in the direction you want to go Its really nice because you only use one hand and you can rest your arm on the armrest when you are driving. If you want the mower and need armrests here are the right ones: Cub Cadet Arm Rests. So, yes, if you are willing to spend the money its a very good mower for what you want to do. Yes, there are many good ZTRs when you get up in the 6K price range. 76601. We have John Deere, Hustler, Bad Boy, Kubota, Husqvarna, and Grasshopper dealers, as well as stores such as Lowes, Home Depot, and Tractor Supply which carry other brands. Seems to be the biggest difference is the forged deck? Thanks for the feedback! There is a ditch at 1 end and a hill/easement at the other. Suburban house in CT 0.3-0.5 acres, small slope, about 3 trees to mow around and my backyard has oak trees bordering the edge so tons of leaves ALL THE TIME lol. Motor repair on commercial mowers can range anywhere from $1000-$4000 for 60-inch commercial zero-turn. Need some advice. So thanks for providing that information. If there is a grinding noise or when you spin the blade it does not feel perfectly smooth replace that spindle. I want to try a ZTR mainly because I feel like Im wrestling the steering wheel constantly and I have to back up and pull forward too much at the corners of the yard. Im already beginning to spend some coin having local vendors mow (3x now). Would it be worth the extra money to go with the scag?Ive got a dealer 10 minutes from the house as opposed to a hour and a half for toro dealer. Hydro-Gear ZT 3100 transmission. Other than that I dont have a preference. Bradley Stander 48. They dont have many dealers but if you order from them they will always take care of you if you ever have a problem with their products. Have you heard of the transmission concerns? With a little practice, either one of these mowers will mow your lawn a lot quicker than your 46-inch lawn tractor. Also, notice the specs for these heavier grade machines say things like 18,400 fpm blade tip speed, 1 aluminum spindles with sealed ball bearings, caster bearings, and axle bearings but Cub Cadet does not mention these? I am looking between the Ariens Ikon X 52 and the Toro MX5000. (You can raise the deck vertically once its on the trailer so it doesnt take up as much room.). Im not sure on that. The Walker also rides great because you sit directly over the large drive tires. Many repair shops carry a cheaper belt, although the same size, that is not designed for use on heat-generating engines. The mower has a 10cc hydraulic pump and an incorporated motor unit. Since then I have went to a local dealer that sells Toro and Cub Cadet. The Frames are different so the Deere looks lighter because it uses smaller tubing. The Jonsered tractor is actually a 2014ish Craftsman Yard Tractor. Their lawn care contractor mows with zero turns, but they mostly back down the hill, and drive back up.). Plus I just really like it over anything else under $3000. Ive thought about asking for the mulch kit to be thrown in for free, but thats only a $110.00 value at retail price. Since I can get the zt2 for only $300 more than the zt1, do I take my chances on it and hope the deck is good? Use the cart alot in the summer it seems to move alot. Hi Paul, have you looked at the new Scag residential zero turn yet? Two of the best in-class lawn mowers, from the two biggest powerhouses, go head-to-head in this review and comparison video by Main Street Mower. Bad Boy zero turn model Weight Towing capacity; Maverick: 1005 lbs: . Hi G Sandler, That model, M-ZT61 Kawasaki (967 17 70-08) is a good mower with a good reputation. Hi Paul, I have a 1 acre with about a 10 to 12 degree slope in the backyard. I bought a Hustler FasTrack thinking it was going to be my last mower. If you go lap-bar I STRONGLY suggest that you demo it on your yard to see if the mower will hold on your slope. Im looking at Cub Cadet PRO Z 148 S EFI and the Cub cadet Z-Force SX 48. Id have them around my place but my wife says we have enough pets. Its just about commercial grade and only about $800 more. Seems as though your recommended ZTRs come from Big Box stores, which I prefer to purchase from a dealer. As always, if you have any questions please ask them in the comment section at the end of this article. A Walker mower has a lot less stress on the transmission than the mid-mount ZTRs. But the Toro TimeCutter HD with MyRIDE 48 in. Great website and article! Later, if it gets harder to get on and off you can always add the step and hand bar. Paul, You will like it. The decks just dont have the depth the commercial decks have to hold the grass and recut it well. You will find it on entry level commercial mowers where the price is the most important feature. The Boulevard is one of the best-built residential mowers on the market. Its Ariens Decision not Home Depots. Hi Charles, No, They did not have any problems with the steering and transmissions. Ill be mowing my 1 acre, flat-to-mildly sloping residential lawn with minimal trees. Just increase the engine rpm to mowing speed and the vibration disappears. Toro made a bad looking mower for this special edition release! I would need about 20 hours per year out of the machine, at about 45 minutes per cut. Z-BEAST 62 25 HP Briggs & Stratton Zero Turn Mower (62ZB Yellow) Learn more in our Kubota vs. Bad Boy zero-turn mower comparison. I need a ZTR that can perform well on slopes. Bottom line is how your gut feels about spending the extra dollars. Thanks Paul. I was hoping for Ariens (good bang for buck), but they only offer the 2200 transaxles through their X and XDunits and can only get the 3100 axles on the Apex units which are pretty close to the same price as gravely ZT HD. Hi Art, Good comment! Hi Ryan, My first concern is service and parts availability. The only time I lift them up is if Im off using it to pull a cart around in the timber where there may be stumps or rocks to hit. The difference between 10 ga (9/64 inch) and 11 ga (1/8 inch)is less than the thickness of a sheet of paper. I have a .5 acre yard planted with centipede grass with a drainage ditch along the road frontage. Ive got about two acres of mostly flat lawn at my house. There is a huge selection to pick from including Cub Cadet ZT2, Toro, Ariens etc. Both have heavy-duty fabricated decks and Kohler/Kawasaki engines. Since Cub Cadet is the newest and they tried to hit all the consumer pain points which includes noise, Ill have to guess the Cub Cadet is quieter. Hi Rob, The Boulevards deck is definitely strong enough to step on it. It also has the heavy-duty ZT2800 transmissions. Many commercial operators go back to the 30-36 inch walk-behinds because the small standers just arent that great. It will last the life of the mower. Mind you he has like 10 acres he cuts.. so he has a commercial grade Scag with EFI and all that good stuff. If you have a local dealer to service it I have no problems recommending a Bush Hog. I have had a few power toys like 4 wheelers and things with engines made in China that havent held up. Below that list, I discuss the more popular brands and why buying a certain brand may be the best choice for you. What do you say? 42-inch Electric Zero Turn Mowers Ryobi, EGO, or Cub Cadet? Seems like you get a overall better mower on the Cub than the Toro with the better transmission and extra features like the foot height adjustment, hour meter, headlights, etc. What would be your advise for a mostly level 2 acre lawn but use to be an old farm crop filed that is pretty rough? I did mean to say the Ariens XD, whats your take on the Ariens Apex in comparison? I would greatly appreciate your advice regarding the best mower for my needs. Cub Cadet has no plans to discontinue their Z-Force or Pro steering wheel models. Who knows? What would you suggest? Hi Daron, Most commercial guys will point you to the Toro/Exmark because they have been making a commercial ZTR since 1996 and its still the one to beat. Do you think I should go down to a 42, or stay with the larger engines and beefier decks that come with the larger mowers? John Deere, Toro, or Cub Cadet. Do you have any reason that you would value one over the other? MTD went through and fixed all those small irritating issues last year and the 2020 Cub Cadet is a better choice today: 42 in. 5. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Toro-42-in-22-5-HP-TimeCutter-Commercial-V-Twin-Gas-Dual-Hydrostatic-Zero-Turn-Riding-Mower-with-Smart-Speed-75742/310836498 It is a nice machine. I actually think hes wrong, Husqvarna has been building out the Jonsered name to include more items every year. The list: So if you are nervous about the Briggs Intek in the John Deere lets focus on two Toro mowers. If the last what could the cause be? Costco wont carry those items. The deck is a lot stronger than the stamped deck and will handle banging against tree roots, etc. Thanks for your super helpful work. I want to go the mulching route so that I can avoid so many grass clippings. Thanks again for all your suggestions. Robotic Mowers. The second choice is the Toro Titan with MyRide. Its worth the $5100 but the question is do you need that much mower? Fabricated Deck 23 HP Kawasaki FR Series V-Twin Gas Engine Zero Turn Mower with Lap Bar ControlAvailable at, Cub Cadet Ultima ZT2 60 in. Hi Dick, The Toro TimeCutter and Cub Cadet XT1 will give you about the same life expectancy as your old Toro. Do you need it for mowing 2.5-3 acres of lawn every week? Ariens Ikon 42. As much as you love the regular Toro Timecutter with the fabricated deck I would even consider that reviews and youtube clips indicate this thing can mow fast and stripe. I read everything you wrote about ZTRs, heck I even created a spreadsheet that shows, brand, model, engine, HP, transmission, deck type, deck size, and price. Services issues are quickly fixed with Ariens Bad Boy has fewer dealers and the quality can be spotty. The Toro has the smart speed and a 3-point deck. Is it okay to buy from BB stores if you take good care of the machine? 2. I also expect that following the bed lines in the front part of the lawn will be more difficult with a garden tractor. recommendedNo-Spill 1405 2-1/2-Gallon Poly Gas Can. Owners never complain about grass build up under the deck. Picture something you would use a brush hog for.. he was just able to do it a lot faster with a bobcat and an attachment. Dont use one from the local hardware store. toro puts in their commercial mowers. SO, you really did make my day today. Zero-turn Steering Wheel. But I do know the mother of one of the Cub Cadet higher up personnel that could probably run interference for me on warranty repairs if need be. I am 6 and over 200 pounds but my wife is much smaller frame, so something that fits different body types is ideal. I dont know if they have CA versions. Have the dealer do the 1st annual tune-up? Do you agree with that? Which One Is This? Both have the same Kawasaki engine and appear pretty similar on the surface. You would have to go up to the Bad Boy ZT Elite to get the same heavy-duty machine as the Ariens/Gravely. If you try to pull too much the transmissions can overheat and if you do it often enough they will fail. The Kohler 7000 is an extended life engine. which is more solid and reliable unit? 26 HP Titan MAX IronForged Deck Commercial V-Twin Gas Dual Hydrostatic Zero Turn Riding Mower at Tractor Supply Co. Great Customer Service. Hi Joe, I want to start off and say Im not picking on you this comment has to do with the industry as a whole. Q: What are your thoughts about transmissions with and without charge pumps? I am searching for my first zero turn rider. Has a very nice seat. Added to that if I ever move to a bigger lawn I wont have to buy a new mower. Hi Paul, I have 1 acre of land, flat, with fenced backyard and trees on the side in the front yard. These have the better tranny with the ZT-3100 but I feel like I read on your site that for towing a leaf vac maybe even more would be required? What can you tell me about these two, is it worth paying the extra $? However, Im not sure how comfortable I am going to feel on that hillside. Trina Lundblad | Homeowner (Equipment) | 952-887-7146 | [email protected]. I suggest that you dont mulch until your lawn growth has settled down. I had a guy come in and clear the wooded area, as it was heavily overgrown. Street price: #2. 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