read more, Scripture: You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. Here they are promoting silence. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. Genesis 24:1-4. She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. It will be called the good shepherd calls. I can always use more people praying for me. (This is where the video above ends. This is not a Church. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. , an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! And if I perish, I perish. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. Bushnell Assembly of God Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Id be interested, too! No-one is beyond compassion. If you are also then do we not have the same Holy Spirit to counsel and teach us? - Jonah didnt smell good. This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. read more, Scripture: Hi Tiffany- Thanks for asking! Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. If false teachers and their followers would simply repent and believe and obey Scripture, there would be no more division in the Body. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! Ive heard her recommend Christian women to go to a quiet place to pray. Can you explain ? My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. THE CALL? Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. I totally disagree with you on this. Jude 18-19. No mention of sitting in silence or listening here nor in any of the other passages in which the Bible teaches about prayer. What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. B. Jeremiah 24:7. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. You are very kind and encouraging :0). in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. You decide. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) .. that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! on her, one of them probably will. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. rather than on the Bible. Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! Are you into apologetics or something? Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Scripture: Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. read more, Scripture: In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Matthew 14:15-16. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? This is not a new idea. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. Be a Christian Who Cares August 11, 2002 AM Evangelical Dark Web. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. This is how people learn and grow in their faith. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Matthew 9:32-38. Wolters begins with the shrewd observation that the four authors understand what moving beyond the Bible to theology means in at least four overlapping but distinguishable ways: (1) bringing the authority of Scripture to bear on issues that Scripture itself does not directly address (e.g., in contemporary bioethics); (2) dealing with ethically . None. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Assembly Of God. Verse 13. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). Defining moments, we all have them. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. :0). There are two crucial reasons for this. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. [email protected] These believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine, and Osteens. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. 1And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. I dont want to lead us astray ). Thats a long sentence!). And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. INTRODUCTION The riches of His word are amazing! Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. How can we be Christians who care? She does. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. Thats a rare find these days. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." Also, there are some great resources here. Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . Opening Prayer. Astonished Beyond Measure That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. Check it out and learn about modesty and biblical decision-making. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? And this faith is . After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. This article really turned me off on her. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). There are two lists of women and two lists of men. I dont know half of your theological terminology, Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. It doesnt. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. Silly me! Romans 8:24 For we ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. What we believe about that is irrelevant. I am a born again Christian. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. read more, Scripture: "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. 3. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts Also your references in Matthew do not apply, and sadly this out of context mess gets regurgitated as much, if not more so, as Matthew 7, and the whole Do not ever judge crowd. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. 5:7 ). Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. 2. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. Thank you so much for your consideration, When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. 2. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. such as man can bear. i listen to Dr. Tony Evans and i love to hear him preach, he is a good pastor and knows the word of God, so i do not understand why all this negativity about his daughter, i agree with the bible about women being pastors, and she is not a pastor according to how much i know about her( i only know about her from war room). If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. 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