Avoiding these types of impacts has been part of state coastal management policy around the country for the past 30 years. Didnt hear boo about that from anyone ? Am I missing something with the job title there? Plop! The second DA is now here. there is no excuse for purchasing a property on the beach in the last 30 years let alone 5 without an inkling of understanding of the risks. Sorry to go hard on your story like that but I feel we need to keep the science at the forefront of all coastal engineering discussions. A seven-metre high wall erected to protect beachside mansions from being washed away has sparked debate among locals in a wealthy Sydney suburb. Yep, basically pork-barrelling on a massive scale and the Japanese sold them the lie too. Both!! I saw the construction going in, says Donohoe of seeing the area cordoned off earlier this year, and thought they were building rock revetments. If anyone was to slide down the edge during one of these high-tide swells there would be a high chance of being washed off their feet and dragged out to sea. To add a bit of controversy, I've often wondered: Is Carties borderline just a novelty wave? Ray Collins eat your heart out.. Good find. Protesters linking arms on the beach in 2002. RAW footage from this week's extra-large swell at Peahi. These are the taxpayer funded grants that LGAs will apply for, to repair the wall. There are 11 parcels of public land (including the Collaroy carpark, South Narrabeen Surf Club, reserves and road ends) interspersed between 49 private parcels of land that require protection. The sea wall forms a permanent, stationary barrier between the sea and the land. Lake that has been going on for the last 20 years. the Senior Environmental Officer" Northern Beaches NSW govt!! The Gold Coast has undoubtedly the most at risk coastline in Australia. More than a year after severe storms damaged property in Collaroy, construction of a long-awaited sea wall is underway. I wouldnt have thought there would be much fetch? High rises to sea walls. For Sydney its not just beach suburbs. Surfers, sun bathers and swimmers. All they are protecting are some pretty sparse land and some rice fields a couple of hundred metres inland. A horizontal reef is also a "Hard Structure" yet it acts in a very different way to a Vertical Sea Wall such as the Collaroy one. The exception of course is if youre a donor to the LNP then a $3M block of land can be sold for $30M!!! the above-average wave heights and elevated water levels are to blame. they might be right basis forecasts but beachfront owners bought in an area that didnt previously exhibit high erosion issues. Im not trying to be a dick about it. @Tango Here's the Maritime Safety Queensland website link and here's what appears to be the numerical modelling report upon which a lot of decision-making on the issue is based. Would be interesting to see the state of that beach on the north side of breakwall now, This was the same dune system a few years before all these easterlies. It may not happen in my lifetime [fingers-crosssed] but it's a real issue when thinking about your children who eventually inherit your home. My experience with compulsory acquisition had to do with a Sydney motorway a few years back. consultant reports and community consultation no doubt funded by state money. In the other pic you can see the completed section of the wall. They've had a very very blessed life compared to anyone else in this country and that in return they would do such harm to a public place to save their private property is a bit sad. Hey guys I need to write an informative paper based on remedial measures used to protect infrastructure against erosion. Hourly Multiple Swells Wind Highlighting Model Units ft, mph. The protest was backed by the growing greens movement at the time and successfully pressured the then Warringah Council to knock back the protective walls. I do however feel there needs to be more separation regarding fact and opinion in your article. Not sure if that happened though. Thanks Stu, didn't even know such a thing existed here. Large waves have a lot of energy and must be forced to break further out to sea to dissipate the energy before reaching the sand shoreline. Hear, hear! Florida is an example. Water is manageable but comes with a huge expense and loss of nature. However, the bean counters and quantity surveyors were extremely difficult for obvious reasons. One thing about mankind. Embed Forecast. Shop unique custom made Canvas Prints, Framed Prints, Posters, Tapestries, and more. Collaroy resident Tony Cagorski lost more than 10 metres of his yard during the weekend's wild weather, undermining the foundations of his home. Existing market value must take into account that houses have erosion problems. Yep totally agree. Not rhetorical question ! https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/28/world/28israel6/28israel6-sup https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/g Basque Wavegarden Project Has Far-Reaching Implications, Watch: Ryan Callinan // Beneath A Pear Tree, Kala Grace In Dramatic Rescue While Competing In Backdoor Shootout, 'Corners Of The Earth: Kamchatka' Tour Dates, Watch: Cronulla's Jarvis Earle Wins World Junior Title. Records show the DA for the Collaroy Seawall had been lodged 18 months earlier in July 2018. Taxpayers pay millions of dollars on a asset that will require '000s thousands if not millions of dollars in annual maintenance to protect the value of a tiny handful of multi-million dollar properties owned by multi-millionaires who thought nothing of buying a property directly on a beach for a solution that only kicks the can down or up the coastline for some one one else to deal with. Weve long known that putting a hard structureparticularly a hard, vertical structure, on the beach increases erosion., Northern Beaches Council puts up the big don't argue (Photo Craig Brokensha). Rise seems nearly double than the run. Some family recently went through this as their house sat above the construction zone for the Spit / Northern Beaches Link tunnel. "The community is not happy." Northern Beaches Council said there had been comprehensive community consultation about the council's coastal zone management plan for Collaroy Beach. The whole buy back argument being too expensive is a crock of shit. More than double in wealth the last 7 years. Action: Casey Johnston to forward initial site visit details to Taskforce members, noting there will be a further site visit as the project progresses". As the article states, in terms of erosion, vertical walls don't work and actually exacerbate the problem. Hi Craig, the short answer is I'm not sure as I have been out of NSW too long. A quick Google informs me that they are part of the State government, either Planning or Public Works, which was news to me because its mainly staffed by UNSW academics and is associated with the uni as a research centre. Click on "Documents" for the interesting stuff. Who could forget the MOLE building or the spoil from the North Head Sewage Works tipped over the cliff? It will still be a bargain now compared to 60 years from now if they do the same. Can't wait to see the classic "Dick and Balls" painted on that big ugly fucker. The seven metres protruding above sea level is vertical, even going beyond vertical for the final metre to prevent wave overtopping. Looking at that DA via Stu's link, it must have taken a considerable, possibly illegal, effort to keep that out of the hands of those community members with a long record of interest in the matter. Although ill be constantly monitoring the situation and around at cathedral the beach profile has certainly been getting steeper. 47 votes, 47 comments. when roads and buildings are about to fall into the sea. Designed to democratise surfing, Tom Morey's invention became a specialised craft for riding treacherouswaves. Hows the Seawall holding up? And ALL received in a 3 day period 17-19 July 2017. It might take a bit of digging to prove it, but the evidence is accumulating already. There are some fed govt areas that listen to this thinking. Great article highlighting the competing interests of the natural environment and local councils (which are too easily manipulated by wealthy stakeholders). I find the whole thing fascinating, I had guys from the council to my face tell me of a future with 52 day heatwaves & in the same breath tell me of being concerened about extreme cyclones & erosion. Its also been the focus point for opposition to coastal development; an abject lesson about what results from bad policy. Hey BD. 100% agree Craig, the only option is to buy back the properties and be done with it like they should have done years ago. LGA's apply for state and federal funding on offer for range of purposes. There's no homes or businesses, or very few to speak of- doesn't come close to justifying the cost of the wall. I put up links to both DAs the other day. I avoid it because I dont think anyone truly is except for a small % of big players who manipulate the market (or act like the house) and the rest just ride the peaks and troughs. !.Basic, crude, primitive, a fcukn disgrace and no regard for the beauty of the areajust shit!.Year 7 school project standard. The idea has never been proposed for Collaroy. Rd: 7th Oct. 1912: c041070001: 1912: Z/SP/C25/1a: Collaroy Park Estate Narrabeen: No boundaries shown: 7th Oct. 1912: c041070002 [1915] Z/SP/C25/2 [plan of Collaroy] Government Rd, Sea View Pde, Collaroy Ave, Main Pittwater Rd, Jenkins Pde, Beach Rd . Stupid dumbfucks. Yep, prevents over-topping but how's the reflection and enhanced rebound wave back into the surf zone!? Was the carpark damaged by the 2016 storms and if so-to what extent? Only thing that would be better if they made a foot path on top of it so wheel chair bandits and a like get to use the cost line as well, "Or boarding a jumbo jet to go for a surf and buy the latest board all things responsible for the needing of the wall in the first place.". Def landing size incorrect i reckon900mm min ? Highly unlikely! I wrote to Many Hydraulics Laboratory to ask for the details regarding the sea wall assessment they produced. Lol. Yes and do they have tactile indicators in the correct place? The Feds and States are the only ones with sufficient means to do anything, but for them its a case of not my problem. And cap prices for market value pre 2000. What a pity as the potential for offshore reefs around there is really good. But, I think its just basically supply and demand. The role of the council in all this might come out if people push hard enough. More to come once the other residents agree to pay their contribution. "Once this is up it'll be a momentum for others to do it too," said Orth. Im not sure that councils have the legal authority to acquire the land, pretty sure that resides with State governments and the Feds only in certain circumstances. High rise apartment buildings demolished when they realised it was the most cost effective and environmentally sound long term solution. Yea I agree with this. I assume this would all depend on the power of the state government/council etc to cap buyback prices, similar to land buybacks for roads, airports etc. Could be the camera angle but. Children protest the building of a seawall at Collaroy-Narrabeen in 2002. Having said that, nature usually finds a way to overcome most "permanent" human structures, and they often seem to forget that the wall isn't continuous.yet. We all have valuable opinions, but they need to be separated from facts at all times, especially when it comes to Journalism. Given Council has already completed protection works on public land, and there's been a lot of talk about the owners' seawall, understanding all the facts is important. I like the cut of your pedantic job, there Lilas. development, carparks & roads behind the hind dunes leading to biketracks, walkways, supporting the community including Whether the NSW state government / local council want to backflip with a pike on their current failing seawall master plan is another thing. I get informed about a proposed bike lane two suburbs away, questions an aghast Donohoe, but I hear nothing about construction abutting a nearby public beach?, Gordon was equally puzzled: I guess people become frustrated with the bureaucratic process and find ways of not involving the public. The problem is one of vertical fiscal imbalance. Ocean Pools > Skate Bowls > Wave Pools > "Boomer'z Backwash Booger Bowl", Crew requested the Turning Japanese Tool Box, History of Collaroy Erosion / Wave Pools / Tow Surfers. Even though they are sure to meet codethey dont look to going by the pic. However, the work then continued skyward with a seven metre vertical concrete wall on top of the foundations. Insurance companies know this. A development application (DA) before Northern Beaches Council would see two additional sections of vertical wall built 50 and 30 metres in length straddling the South Narrabeen Surf Club. (Those suburbs are just local ones I know a bit about. Lance any surf info about Middleton Reef ? Thats tens of thousands of homes). In 1974I witnessed what cyclonic ocean power can do to ignorantly planned beach development 50 years on and a lot of sea miles under my belt. This issue is not exclusive to the NB or sea level rise or storm surge. Collaroy Seawall Detailed Survey for construction of a new seawall in highly sensitive erosion zone. Also, ALL the Numerical modeling was done in comparison to the current altered beach-state and NOT to a natural beach-state so there is bias in modeling things that way even though the beach state is not natural any more. There is a significant risk that, as Craig suggested, end wall erosion will simply move the problem and lead to calls for extending the wall. Its a wicked problem theyve got, in the true sense of the word.. Then there is the question of the parameters given to the designers of the second structure. >>How can you say there is no evidence unless you have the facts to prove it? Sorry to sound pedantic but we should clarify exactly what we mean by "Hard Structures" as it's too general a term. Compare their prediction of how it would look with the reality shown above.. https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/climate-change-and-coastal-erosion-the-g GOR coastal erosion webinar link for today at 3pm for those interested. Bean counters at the local council know this too. I wonder if they're intended as some kind of device to absorb/dissipate energy rather than as trafficable stairs? All of which. It's folly to believe you can hold back the Pacific. Big walls like this one are getting smashed and although for the most part they are still there, everything behind them is going. Would be very interested in knowing what other options were considered and why they were discarded Yeah it's easy to get caught up in the house situation, but the road is at exactly the same height and built on sand too. Greed and stupidity rule in councils . I do know the metro area was excluded from the NSW Coastal Policy for a long time because it was seen as too difficult, and that the CLPS was focussed on environmental values. "Environmental vandalism or gross negligence?". EDIT: Just to be clear, the issue of erosion has nothing to do with sea level rise, climate change, or buying the latest board. Pre-existing or failing seawalls (if any) should be removed as part of Step 2. Zen, it looks like an absolute disaster but Im guessing its not so much about coastal erosion but more about tsunami mitigation?? Some interesting papers about building seawalls and the effect it has on risk perception in the post Tsunami context in Japan: Littlejohn (2020) "Dividing worlds tsunamis, seawalls, and ontological politics in Northeast Japan" Owners of storm-devastated Collaroy properties on Sydney's northern beaches face paying up to $140,000 each for a new sea wall that might have saved their homes had it been there at the weekend. It's propped up by the NSW and local governments way beyond the importance or value of that stretch of private land. processes currently-exported iron ore, bauxite, and alumina into green. There is no evidence whatsoever of accelerated erosion seaward of these newly constructed works. Instead they provide a caveat for bulldozing sand from low on the beach to higher on the beach in times of heightened storm activity - which only lowers the beachs natural defence system. You have a decade of good conditions somewhere along the way and everybody builds on the beach or on a river bank and then there reminded of the risks being swell generated by a low and annual big tides in cyclone season who woulda thought ..or flooding by jingoes fuk wouldnt you rather walk an extra couple of hundred metres and leave nature to do what it does . stupid white poeple ..classic. The National Library of Australia's Copies Direct service lets you purchase higher quality, larger sized photocopies or electronic copies of newspapers pages. Yet for some reason the Collaroy/Narra stretch seems to get flogged not only by mother nature but by poor coastal management approaches time and again. The houses up the dune with no apparent erosion would be an apple compared to these lemons (for now). The owners of those properties must have the most amazing collection of dirt on the political class. Our timber guide wall formwork is not only reusable and 100% recyclable, it also prevents dangerous polystyrene fragments from entering the ecosystem. The question is why did the owners go for such an unattractive solution that by all appearances seems to have blocked their beach access. Northern Beaches Council are the biggest tossers ever. Craig - we are expecting you to be down there at High Tide 11pm tonight with your Torch and Box Brownie for some more pics, Nah wait 'til tomorrow mornings high. Im just saying its a difficult issue, beachwall terrible and if its sets a precedent huge chunks of the coast stuffed. Thanks Lilas, The Collaroy wall is not subtle. " They must only exist on a dense (and expensive) schedule of maintenance, no doubt. All of Ramsgate, Brighton, Kyeemagh, Dolls Point, Scarborough Park and lots more will be underwater in 50 or 100 years time. Brendan Donohoe says the . Current property values have ensured that this mistake will never be righted. Rock barrels at its best! I've looked at the general location plan of the cables and it seems there is a good say 500m- 1000m distance between groups of them along the beach, and they are buried for the first 500m out from the shore, so I would say there is a good chance of working within those areas in consultation with the cable authorities. You'd think that would then open it up for more legal action (aka why did ABC get first dibs and XYZ missed out?). https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=144437777895204. Painful to see such a blunt object of a solution. Ignorant clown. If anyone used it and saw the second DA let me know. A concrete seawall designed to stop coastal erosion is being built from Collaroy to South Narrabeen on Sydney's northern beaches. I think this was done for the first DA, the sloping rock wall, rather than the vertical one that was actually built. I doubt there will be a demand for the effected given the inevitable. You got to have demand/competition in order for a buyback to increase value of supply. I think the re-sale value of their properties trumped their ability to access the from their back garden. Just like when the stock price of a company increases because of a speculated takeover bid. Lets bring it on. This strategy had been used in other parts of the world where poor planning placed buildings too close to the ocean. I asked a mate who works at MHL this exact question. The state government and council are together tipping in 20 per cent of the costs for the construction of a wall stretching from Collaroy to South Narrabeen after heavy surf and powerful storms . If so, I presume it may slow around the reef, but then continue north on a more normal migration speed. Fvck the coastline. For those who may not know, the private land issue is complicated in NSW in particular (less so in other states) by the existence of ambulatory land boundaries which are set at various levels of the tide eg mean high water. Holds more water and replenish the beach? Where I live though the beach has no erosion issues but the council is trying curtail landowners rights significantly due to potential sea level rises combined with 1 in 100 year storms etc. I mean, did someone forget about the old idiom about 'shifting sands' or what? Ratepayer/taxpayer bailout, so business as usual whatever happened to caveat emptor? Adjacent a second wall constructed just to the north, the half finished revetment was torn to rubble with dangerous rebar, boulders and cement being washed into the surf zone. A barrier reef in place would no doubt have knock-on effects. I am working on a gipa application to try and find out what community consultation they did for the second DA. Rad demo john interesting as Craig said to see the changes in shock waves returning seaward. Tetrapods work but don't protect the adjacent beach very well unless there are multiple groynes. Cyclonic activity isnt forecast to increase at all - I think the jury actually out on that at the moment, east coast of Australia in a 500 year dip too on cyclonic activity. Theyve introduced these gently sloped walls to broaden the widths of the roads to protect them from erosion. From the last set of minutes from the Wamberal Seawall advisory Taskforce Nov 18 2021. Harmer and husband have been protesting for 14 years to stop surf barrier She led 2002 lobby against $12 million wall proposed by Warringah council A monster Sydney storm wiped out properties. Imagine the carnage during the next ECL. Cheers. State govt has been acquiring properties for more toll roads of late and they have been getting low-balled big time, totally screwed over. The UNSW Centre is called the Water Research Laboratory. 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