Thank you guys for the help. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. Money isn't really an issue for me. Perhaps toe break tension as well. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. This applies to the connector between grip and base. Sign up for a new account in our community. ELITE DANGEROUS TRAINING Challenge Scenarios INCURSIONS Let's play in 2023 | PC | 4K | Live Stream | Solo / Alone NOOB w HOSAS VKB + Virpil #elitedangerous . , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. Virpil has the better engineers. I have a warthog here, definitely above other sticks I owned, I feel like Virpils are too. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. That's weird because normally a USB 3 controller can supposedly support up to 127 devices. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. It would be wrong to say that TECS "worthily follows the line of VKB engineering tradition . The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. I'm in a similar boat to you. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. This unique state of art device is already out of "development" phase, and is currently entering "preparation for serial production". I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. Is anyone using Vjoy or a simiar program(s) to solve this problem? Whoa wait, you're saying on the ultimate you don't need to take apart the case to change from mini joystick to 4 way hat? If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. I've had Virpil for a while and have even refined my setup over time trying different grips/bases/throttles. If so, how and what programs? The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. Please enter a valid email and try again. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Previously, those functions sat on a tiny hat switch on my throttle. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. 2 - is virpil worth the extra $200+ more and a very long wait. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Note that youll need two of the Desk Mount V3-S devices for a HOSAS solution using the Virpil Constellation sticks, which brings the price of accessories up to $140. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. It functions great and feels great. Jmo I have the same Virpil throttle. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. All rights reserved. I will look for that in VPC config software. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. There are some there. and our Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. You'll see I haven't even mapped the 2nd choice analog features of the top MCG hat on the right hand, ran out of needalso have some repeats left and right in case I get confused in heat of moment. Valve Corporation. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. What 'limit' are you talking about? For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. Yes I followrd their guide. sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. I have an in-depth write up here. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Is the base the same on both? With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. > DIY If anyone has alternate suggestions for awesome, high quality flight sticks. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. They've all been excellent, but I wouldn't choose a Delta for a primary grip in any game; it's ambidextrous which is cool I guess, but while it's good for either hand, it's not great for either hand. Or I can get the Virpil one and have a 2 stick approach which will let me actually assess a proper preference. Oops. I'd love to mount to desk but I don't have the space for a permanent setup and need to be able to move my controllers out of the way easily. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. People use keyboard to play E:D. Keyboards have more than 32 buttons.. my x56 throttle alone has more than 32 buttons, all bound to ed controls :). 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. In terms of bases I like my VKB base a bit more than my Vipril base. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? Valve Corporation. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. I intend to do mostly spaceflight sims with the stick(s). VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Ace pedals also have a much better mounting solution, in my opinion, compared to the TPR pedals. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). You must log in or register to reply here. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. Out of the box, Virpils large, grippy rubber feet stay put on most surfaces. I will try them. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. You all have inspired me to investigate higher quality gear for my flight sim time. Either way, in terms of quality and build at least it seems like a toss up. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? Better options out there? A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. 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