As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. TCP and P3AT triggers were clearly worlds better than it. Ive been fortunate enough to be able to shoot a big variety of different .380s. The best one, so far, that I have shot with the least amount of re Fan boys gotta fan boy, and critics gotta criticize. Did it require a break in, a fluff & buff, a whole plethora of different ammo to get my approval? He says the trigger is horrible? ONE STAR FOR YOU! kind of reviews. the problem with your rating site is that it is seriously flawed. From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. Anyone have the Bersa .380. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. He talks about having to yank the Mag. How so? Maybe something like this? They know media though. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. Actually if the SCCY is on here then the Mill Pro G2 should be also, and that gun is a trainwreck compared to the SCCY. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. I like the concept at least. Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? Worked fine til the last shot on the second reload. Must be the best gun ever. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. What utter nonsense! Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. No warning shot, no shoot to wound. Seriously?). The one I had was utter shit. But again, the people have spoken: the Pico sucks. And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. Sorry, until you have vetted ratings, the site is nothing more than adspam. One of the finest pocket guns out there. Because they just have a vendetta against these manufacturers? Just my two. A bunch. And that considering the Kahr is a fine gun. I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. Maybe so few were sold they didnt make the list. The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. 8===D~. The thing stinks. There really is NO WAY to know if the rating is based on a real, objective assessment of the firearm. They claimed to have test fired it after repair. No issues to complain about. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. And than some. Double strike capability, Magazines all stainless that look like custom 1911 mags. WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! I carry in the front pocket and have trouble with the stupid buttons that accidentally release the mag. Try posting a survey asking for votes on Glocks, for instance, and you will get a very polarized response . I was glad not to see Kel Tac on the bottom list. I understand its not for everyone but its a good quality firearm with excellent customer service. Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. No problem for me but then I have fired well over 100,000 rounds in 50 years. Top 5 .380 Pistols Our Top Pick Glock 42 .380 ACP Sportsmans Warehouse (Check Price) Palmetto State Armory (Check Price) Primary Arms (Check Also people need to fire them at the range. I own a hp380. Bersa Thunder 5. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. Bottom line: you can do much better. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It is a small barrel gun NOT a target gun. If you are going to run a wisdom of crowds review site I think you really ought to take a note from them, because we ALL know the crowd can also be incredibly stupid, especially when hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard. I have a SCCY too. Both shoot about the same as far as low recoil. It shot pretty well overall, but the trigger sucked. Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. So there. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. Both types are not recommened by the maker for the guns. And I have not shot one better then these in the same weight and AOL class. (not missed, as in missed the target, but missed as in I pulled the trigger for the follow up shot and nothing happened because it had not reset). Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. Im about to order some more. The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. I dont see it. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. Snicker. BUT! Seriously, it works if you have a fresh pair of springs in it. I called the factory and was accused of limp wristing. WebSmith & Wesson Model 500 is a five-shot, single action/double-action large caliber revolver produced by Smith & Wesson, firing the .500 S&W Magnum cartridge, a .50 caliber bullet. So they added in where if you downvote something you must list at least one reason why. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. It shoots a powerful pistol cartridge in a light gun. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. Cobra lasted 10 minutes in my house. I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. Wisdom of the crowd is an awfully unknown thing to be making life-and-death decisions on. Oh shit! It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. Very very inconsistent across the board for everything they make to not be considered really bad. The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. More power to him I say. Solid with FMJ round nose once broken in, will NOT feed hollow points until after a trip back to the factory. I carry the SCCY more often and have cycled quite a few rounds through it. you have to wear shorts with a tucked in shirt), the LCP II will be a great option. Do not yank the magazine friends. I experienced none of that with my p3at but it was entertaining to read. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. TTAG writerJeremy S. apparently had a non-awful experience with a CA380. the fact you just dont like it? I posted a new post today regarding the nonsense by this author about the Pico. Do they now have 12 round mags? Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. Or having the mag cleaned and inspected? But if carry options are limited to just a pocket carry for you (i.e. It is almost a virtual impossibility to drop the mag without having to literally stop everything your doing and have to yank the thing down using 2 hands. It seems like the all metal euro pistols of yester-year beat the new models in spades. The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. The SCCY model CPX-2 is a fine lightweight pistol that shoots a stopper round 9mm. Empties wouldnt just fail to clear the slide; theyd never leave the chamber. i cant effectively describe the feel of the action; except to say it was similar to dragging a cinder block up a gravel hill. Its on the edge of what Id consider using for self-defense, but Id recommend trying to move up to 9mm if possible. The Beretta APX has a 4.4 rating from 22 votes It sucks so hard that its suckage transcends space and time. Im in the habit of buying less costly weapons and fully expect to tinker a bit with them to produce a smooth running hot brass pile maker. In a fight you wont notice it. I would very much like to see your proof/examples. Go to the Beretta form Pico and the gun is loved by many. I am surprised high point 380 & 9mm werent included in your list. For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). You do that and you will find hipoints and cobras to work as they are intended. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. No it is not a light striker fired trigger. It shoots all varieties of .380 ammo Ive ever run through it. He didnt even require them to be positive. I love the Pico. http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ So special, they ride the short bus. In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. I own a SCCY CPX-2 personally and it has been a flawless gun. I like mine. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE .380 POCKET PISTOL? Its easy to see why: .380 pistols are typically small enough to carry in the pocket, they are unquestionably smaller and lighter than competing 9mm single stack autos or .38 snubnose revolvers. How is the pot metal Cobra #2? They are meant to be defensive arms that can be easily carried in the pocket. Did they succeed? I have had my CPX 2 and have shot many hundreds of rounds through it, no jams, no misfires, not really impressed with the rear sites, so I put a laser on it and it is accurate, I like not having a safety on it, but with 9 pounds of trigger pressure you do not need a safety. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. . I shoot pocket guns all the time. The spreadsheet seems flawed to me. Super gun, works every time. Stainless steel through out the gun. Accurate for cheap junk. Basically I hate these guns because I hate these guns, and you should too because I do. This is the closest I have ever been to accusing TTAG of pandering to the highest advertising contributors (i. e. not a SINGLE Taurus gun on here? I am no statistician but most of the sample sizes were very small. George have you tried a different ammo brand? Not cheap, but beautifully crafted. Guess what? I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. The problem with the group wisdom line of thinking is that you cannot separate the people with actual hands on experience with the firearm in question from actual users, which is always a problem with new guns. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. The trigger is exactly like a double action revolver. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. He does not know how to use it. I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. At my handgun review and rating site, gunsgunsguns.net, we offer star ratings on a scale of 110 for every gun featured on the site. For that reason its got a little too much recoil and im not as accurate with it as i am with my heavier pistols chambered in 9mm and 40 caliber . It is my bicycle gun. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. I will say they like Ruger and a few other vendors copied Kel-Tec once again as this thing look like a P11. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. The cobra looks very similar to a firearm my mother owns. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. SCCY CPX-2 is a very good gun. You get two shots, a single-action-only IO stopped making them and moved to Florida. The CW380 sucks. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. I chose. Did you ever lubricate the gun, or did you just load it and shoot it? In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a AND, NAA has first class warranty service. OMG! Had it for about 6 months now and been to the range several times. Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. Do you really know anything about pocket guns? Recoil was worse on the 380 than the 9. Go to some of the forums and you will seem many post and pictures from fans. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. Everyones hand size and perception of recoil is different and therein lies the beauty of having choice. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. Get real. The wisdom of the crowd phenomenon? While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. 4) Beretta Pico(4.1 stars 0.3, 134 votes), Color me shockedto see the Pico down here with the bottom feeders because Beretta is a major manufacturer that produces lots of quality firearms. The guy did a service to the gun community by creating this website and writing a cautionary article, and some assholes gotta focus on the self-promotion. But for a handgun of last resort, I prefer an Airweight. 400 rounds! There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. I am a Pocket gun enthusiast. Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. I wouldnt go smaller than a Glock 27 in .40 the recoil is too snappy. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. what a waste of time. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. But this article should be called Articles to avoid like the Plague. Presenting statistics like this isnt representative of the actual quality of the product, but the opinion of those who voted. Split chassis, cracked frames, split rails, broken take down pins. check the ammo?? The Mary Rosh controversy (where Lott used that pseudonym to answer critics and to post one favorable review of More Guns Less Crime) is discussed. Though my CW380 was also unreliable and pinched my finger after firing. I. If its good Ill spread the word. Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. Oh wow I finally got their awful website to workP3at is #1! I trust the Colt, Kahr, and Rugers, but I would like more power. So, I would never consider one. I dont care for the finger grooves, the chunky feel, or the bullets rattling in the magazine when they arent stacked just right. The take down lever is actually easy to use once get use to it. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock (I call the SCCY, my Sunday go-to-meeting piece. That would be TTAG, and a handful of others. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. IT is NOT stiff at all. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. It went on to launch a revolution of micro .380 handguns. If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. 2) Cobra Firearms CA380 (4.3 stars 0.9, 36 votes). Trigger sucked. 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